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Post by Ranger on Mar 10, 2005 20:20:52 GMT -5
lol tracers are just bullets with a bit more to see so you can know where your shooting with high powered machine guns. It improves accuracy because you can see where your shooting but it doesn't by any means trace a target.
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Post by Draxas on Mar 11, 2005 10:55:49 GMT -5
Whoa, where to begin... As Ranger said, Tracers don't actually "track" a target, they just improve the firer's accuracy by leaving a visible "trace" in the air when they're fired. From what I understand, they're normally mixed into a clip of regular bullets at a certain ratio (1:5? 1:10? I have no idea), because they're a fair bit more expensive to produce. I believe a tracer round is actually more like a miniature flare, designed to illuminate when the round is fired, thus leaving the visible trail. Titanium rounds are not quite what you think. The reason titanium is used (which, mind you, is the same concept behind depleted uranium) is because it is a very dense metal. Because of the high density, the round has a much greater ability to penetrate armor than a conventional round. So I guess anotehr name for Titanium rounds is "Armor Piercing." Truth be told, I don't think titanium is a very common choice. It is very expensive, very heavy (reducing muzzle velocity of the round, and thus overall range and penetrating power), and I believe firing tests showed that it was much more brittle than expected, which also reduced its penetrating power. Contrasted to depleted uranium, which is a byproduct of manufacturing atomic weapons (and thus cheap and easy to obtain for military purposes), and does not show any signs of becoming brittle during firing tests, and you can see why it's become standard to equip armor piercing shells with depleted uranium tips (just the tips, an entire shell would suffer the same weight problems as a titanium round). As the game is concerned, I was thinking of introducing some of those as special ammo types. More expensive to buy, and possibly rare, but they offer certain benefits. Here's what I think: Tracers would offer improved accuracy under conditions of low light or poor visibility. Armor Piercing Rounds would grant the weapon they're loaded into the Piercing attribute. As far as Explosive Rounds and the "Bad Status" Rounds go, I think those are best left out, at least for now, and probably completely. If you want an explosive weapon, there's certainly no shortage now, and if you want a weapon that inflicts bad status, stick to the ones that already do so. At this point, there is no need to suggest the introduction of any new PD, GE, or TS2 weapons and gear; I've finished the engineering on most (if not all) of them, and am simply introducing them gradually into the game. We certainly had a massive influx this last round, and I suspect others will make appearances as time goes on. The RIG is not an online document, it was created solely for my personal use. It's actually a simple matrix, labelled 1-100, with each slot corresponding to a particular piece of equipment. If you all are REALLY interested, I can post a partial version, but certain secrets are revealed within the RIG, so I can't post up the entire thing at this time. Suffice to say though, we haven't seen the last of the RIG.
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Post by Ranger on Mar 11, 2005 19:18:17 GMT -5
if you must know tracers are phospherous rounds that iluminate after leaving the barrel because of what they are...
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Post by Draxas on Mar 11, 2005 20:22:34 GMT -5
Like I said, miniatur flares.
I've heard that if you load pure tracers into a full auto rifle, the multitude of combusting rounds is sometimes enough to set your target on fire. ;D
Hmm, maybe I'll make 2 sets of tracers available: Tracer mix and Pure Tracers. Pure Tracers would have a 10% chance to set the target on fire or something, but would be more expensive per box... Maybe.
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Post by Merlin 2592 on Mar 11, 2005 23:55:42 GMT -5
Draxas, if you're hit by a titanium bullet in a sealed room, it'll shrivel you skin up and turn into spaghetti, my sister has a connection with a ROTC commander.And all the the other stuff on titanium, I'm not that stupid, I am 13 after all.
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Post by Ranger on Mar 12, 2005 0:19:23 GMT -5
fatal error does not compute
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Post by Razor on Mar 12, 2005 2:13:36 GMT -5
I must quote now...
Merlin, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Billy Madison anyone?
Seriously...that's the biggest load of bull I've ever heard. Titanium is an INACTIVE METAL...the idea that it would do anything like that is so ABSURD, so PREPOSTEROUS...that it was daft of you to believe it, or to think that we would.
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Post by Draxas on Mar 12, 2005 2:19:12 GMT -5
More politely put? OK, no, you are wrong Merlin, it will do no such thing.
Titanium is:
1. Fairly chemically inactive, as Razor mentioned 2. Very heavy, as metals go, so it will have low muzzle velocity 3. Not going to have any more effect on living flesh than any other metal would when shot out of a rifle
It's arguably nice for punching through armor, but if you want to turn someone into spaghetti, a hollow-point bullet will do a much more effective job.
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Post by Ranger on Mar 12, 2005 3:13:43 GMT -5
/me hugs hollow points and depleted uranium shells
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Post by Merlin 2592 on Mar 13, 2005 9:31:07 GMT -5
Razor be quiet.
Draxas/Ranger:MY sister is the one saying this, I said they don't do that she says it dose, I can't choose how to beleive.
MY sister saidthere millitary issue, so I have know idea, you argueing with her, and a whole lot of people in ROTC, I'm not lecturing you, so can we just leave it get along/be freinds.
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Post by Razor on Mar 13, 2005 10:24:29 GMT -5
I think the idea got garbled along the line somewhere. Perhaps you misheard, or she did? I'm simply saying that they don't even MAKE Titanium rounds...and if they did, they'd do no such thing. Perhaps you ARE thinking of Depleted Uranium rounds...or perhaps what are called Dum Dum rounds...
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Post by Merlin 2592 on Mar 13, 2005 10:46:57 GMT -5
Okay guys heres the scoop, they ARe Depleted uranium Rounds, but are titanium issue.
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Post by Razor on Mar 13, 2005 12:40:09 GMT -5
Titanium...issue? The shells may be an alloy perhaps...
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Post by Draxas on Mar 13, 2005 14:53:06 GMT -5
I doubt it... DU is cheap and plentiful, titanium is not, and there is no reason to use it that I can think of. Unless it has to do with maintaining a certain level of safety for the firer; from what I understand, DU still gives off low levels of radiation, so placing it within a titanium shell should block most of what's given off. And when it's fired, the brittle titanium should shatter, allowing the DU to penetrate the target... But it seems kind of inefficient, and the army is not often one to care much about their grunts.
As far as ROTC goes, I met and spoke to a lot of ROTCers while I was living on campus in college. They're as likely to know valid info about military hardware as they are to know jack squat about it... So who knows. Remeber, ROTC stands for Reserve Officer Training Corps. Those first three words should give you an idea that they might not really know what's going on. Not that I claim to be an expert or anything, but this is my understanding of this particular matter.
And Razor, dum-dums are fricking dangerous, potentially as much to the guy using the gun as the one being hit by it. I don't think the army's into that sort of thing.
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Post by Ranger on Mar 14, 2005 0:05:10 GMT -5
sounds like my kind of bullet
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